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Thursday, November 20, 2014

Amy Hebert's take on Socorro (and Lonnie Zamora's vision), from our archive

Posted on 12:44 PM by jackline
I don't know if this has already been mentioned but Zamora never actually saw the two beings go into the object before it took off and no one knows what materials the object was made of.

Zamora heard two loud slams, no longer saw the beings and the object took off (according to Ray's book and other accounts). Therefore, no one really knows if the beings were in the object when it took off.

Since we don't know if the beings were actually in the egg-shaped object when it took off, we don't know if their weight was included in the take-off load.  Neither do we know what the object's hull or interior was made of (the word "metallic" is used repeatedly, almost excessively, in references to the object but Zamora only made a visual observation).

If the beings were not in the object when it took off and the object was not made of any kind of metal, perhaps the object itself was some form of balloon/UAV (patentsdo exist that include these features).  The two loud slams Zamora described hearing could have just as easily been the slamming of two car doors as the "beings" got in a car and drove off beyond Zamora's view and while hewas focused on the object as it launched (they may have only appeared small from a distance). Like the LEM, the object may have had small thrusters for maneuverability (going against the wind).

The description of the object emitting flames and a roaringsound while landing and taking off makes it sound more like something man-made - from the '60's - than something from another planet.

A. Hebert

PS: Please excuse this intrusion. I have been studying this case for some time - from the point of view it was man-made and usingforms of CC&D. Patents do exist, past and current, with various technologies that resemble what Zamora saw. However, any time I try to reference patents on the Updates list, they never get posted so I stopped making these references. They are included in the book I'm writing.

Many of the aerostat patents that utilized thermal and/or gas with thrust from the 60's and 70's were either egg-shaped or saucer-shaped.  Doesn't mean they were actually built.  Only meansthey were being considered.  Later versions, however, were built and some licensed by the U.S. government or associated agencies.

My hypothesis is the object Zamora saw was an LTA using a sort ofjet engine for initial lift with hot air containment and helium reservoirs for sustained buoyancy, thrusters for maneuvering.  May have been manned or unmanned.  No stereos or boomboxes, too heavy. [Grin]
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Socorro's Prototype Premise?

Posted on 12:26 PM by jackline
Spanish UFO researcher Jose Antonio Caravaca sees the debate about moon-landings as precurser to the craft design that Lonnie Zamora spotted in Socorro in 1964.
This is the NASA paper about that debate:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-4205/ch3-2.html

RR
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The William Rhodes UFO Photo

Posted on 3:11 AM by jackline
Why don't we see UFO photos like this one nowadays, even a hoaxed photo?

Kevin Randle had a 2010 posting about Mr. Rhodes and his photo:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/10/beyond-rhodes-photographs.html

And there was a comment by Orka, about the Arnold sighting that I found interesting:

I always thought it was interesting Arnold made efforts to contact Rhodes and was quite excited when he saw his photographs published, as they looked very similar to the 8th craft, (2nd to last) Arnold saw, which apparently had a different shape than the others. Arnold said he'd kept the difference secret so as to recognise hoaxes(?). 

There is discussion about Arnold embellishing his story about the eighth craft in Martin Shough's "The Singular Adventure of Mr Kenneth Arnold" Interesting nonetheless.

RR
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The REAL Internet

Posted on 2:46 AM by jackline
http://www.ibtimes.com/meet-deep-web-inside-hidden-internet-lies-beyond-google-1725784
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Tuesday, November 18, 2014

The Socorro Insignia

Posted on 12:11 PM by jackline
Our colleague Spanish UFO researcher Jose Antonio Caravaca asks, Was this the symbol Lonnie Zamora saw and drew (to the best of his ability) that allegedly appeared on the egg-shaped craft that landed and took off in Socorro in April 1964?
The image is (Senor Caravaca informs) “This emblem, placed in the center of a Triangle and Circle – both emblems of Deity – constitutes the jewel of the Royal Arch as practiced in England, where it is so highly esteemed as to be called the “emblem of all emblems,” and “the grand emblem of Royal Arch Masonry.”

RR
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The Socorro Event in a (bad?) documentary: UFOs; The Secret Evidence

Posted on 11:59 AM by jackline
The inestimable UFO researcher and archivist, Isaac Koi got into a discussion at UFO UpDates in 2005 with Joe McGonagle (noted Brit UFO researcher) and Nick Balaskas (Physics Laboratory Technologist/Instructor at York University) about a Nick Cook British TV documentary (that some of you may have seen on America's H2 Channel), UFOs: The Secret Evidence.

The whole back-and-forth is interesting but I've selected the section dealing with Lonnie Zamora's 1964 experience, wherein the solution or explanation for Officer Zamora's craft was cited by documentarian Cook as the Silverbug prototype, which you can read about via this Project 47 link (and others noted below): 

http://www.project1947.com/fig/sb/silverbu.htm

Here's the segment and critique that Mr. Koi provided to UFO UpDate readers:

"Nick Cook claimed to have "discovered" a number of secret projects which could account for UFO sightings. We had endless shots of him shining his flashlight around a dark room filled with piles of yellowing documents. On the few instances when he was prepared to deal with specific instances, some of the things included in the documentary were a bit... odd. For example, Lonnie Zamora's 1964 Socorro incident was one of the few sightings to get the full treatment - a reconstruction, complete with actor (not wearing any glasses...) and fairly impressive computer generated imagery (impressive at least by the usual standards of British documentaries). It's just a shame that the computer generated imagery had no resemblance whatsoever to the description given by Lonnie Zamora. The object zipping around the sky in the relevant reinactment was a classic disc-shaped UFO, which looked nothing like the numerous descriptions and sketches provided by Zamora. This is not a simply a minor gripe about an inaccuracy in the imagery used - Nick Cook proceeded to determine the probable identity of the object seen by Zamora on the basis of this (incorrect) shape. Nick Cook said "Buried in the depths of the archives, I've discovered blue prints which reveal something quite fantastic - a supersonic saucer. Called the Silverbug...", later stating "I believe Silverbug could explain what Lonnie Zamora witnessed ... His description of a silver disc-shaped object appears to fit in with the Silverbug profile".

So, Cook "discovered" the relevant blue prints "Buried in the depths of the archives" did he? Well, perhaps he should have done an internet search or read a few UFO books. Project Silver Bug was discussed, for example, by the following authors (including Cook himself in his 2001 book):

Campagna, Palmiro in his The UFO Files: The Canadian Connection
Exposed (1998) at pages 63-66, 73-77 (in Chapter 5), 147, 150
(in Chapter 10), 155 (in Chapter 11), 169 (in the Postscript) of
the Stoddart softcover edition.

Cook, Nick in his The Hunt for Zero Point (2001) at pages 73-
77 (in Chapter 6), 226, 227 (in Chapter 22) of the Century
hardback edition.

Hyland, Gary in his Blue Fires: The Lost Secrets of Nazi
Technology (2001) at pages 99-100 (in Chapter 4), 190-205 (in
Chapter 8), 211-212 (in Chapter 9) of the Headline hardback
edition.

Matthews, Tim in his UFO Revelation (1999) at pages 69 (in
Chapter 5), 70, 72-79 (in Chapter 6), 81 (in Chapter 7) of the
Blandford softcover edition.

Michaels, Susan in her Sightings: UFOs (1997) at page 34 (in
the unnumbered chapter entitled Flying Saucers are Real) of
the Fireside softcover edition.

Redfern, Nick and Roberts, Andy in their Strange Secrets: Real
Government Files on the Unknown (2003) at pages 85-97 (in
Chapter 5) of the Paraview Pocket Books softcover edition.

Sutherly, Curt in his UFO Mysteries: A Reporter Seeks the
Truth (2001) at pages 99, 103 (in Chapter 7) of the Llewellyn
softcover edition.

Also, the relevant blueprints were included in the 1955 joint
Air Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) - Wright Air
Development Center (WADC) technical report on Project Silver Bug
(covering Project Y and Project Y2). (Technical Report No. TR-
AC-47, project No. 9961.) Images of that report are available
online at:

http://www.project1947.com/fig/sb/sb_html.htm

The text of report is also available online at:

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/silverbg.htm

Further relevant links are available at:

http://www.project1947.com/fig/1955a.htm

The images used in the reconstruction of Zamora's sighting looked liked they could have been based on the Silver Bug blueprints. Any viewers of the documentary could reasonably conclude that the apparent similarity between those shapes was due to Zamora having seen a Project Silver Bug craft.

However, the image used in the reconstruction has no resemblance to Zamora's description and his drawings of the object he claimed to have seen. See:

http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/a1999/mar/zamora.htm

http://www.nicap.org/zamoradir.htm"

RR
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Monday, November 17, 2014

The 1968 Keats Island (Canada) UFO: Odd indeed

Posted on 11:45 AM by jackline
Witness Bernice Niblett provided a narrative for UFO sighting(s) at Keats Island, Canada in the late 1960s.

That narrative was presented online and can be read here at the link shown:

"I Lived in a Nest of UFOs" by Bernice Niblett, John Magor, Ed. from Canadian UFO Report Vol. 2 No. 5, (Whole No. 13) published in 1973

http://www.ufobc.ca/History/1960/nestofufos_v2.htm

Magonia also noted the sighting with a Men in Black contingent.:

1968, 29 January: Following a sighting of ‘a long dark body with dim red and yellow lights at both ends’, a woman who lived alone on Keats Island, British Columbia, was visited by two men in dark overalls who claimed to be employees of the hydroelectric company. They put up a stovepipe for her. One went on the roof, the man on the ground directed him and the other would answer ‘Yes, Master.’ Keel, Visitors from Space...

The Magonia listing also contains a plethora of other "Men in Black" encounters (for those interested in the MIB element in UFO lore):

http://pelicanist.blogspot.com/p/mib-encounters.html

RR
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